The Wild Goose
4144 Erie St, Willoughby, OH, 44094
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Address :
4144 Erie St
Willoughby, OH, 44094 - Phone (440) 951-6644
- Website https://www.wildgoosewilloughby.com
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Opening Hours
- Mon :11:00 am - 2:00pm
Specialities
- Takes Reservations : Yes
Delivery : No
Take-out : Yes
Accepts Credit Cards : Yes
Good For : Dinner
Parking : Street
Bike Parking : Yes
Good for Kids : No
Good for Groups : Yes
Attire : Casual
Ambience : Casual
Noise Level : Average
Music : Juke Box, Background
Good For Dancing : No
Alcohol : Full Bar
Happy Hour : Yes
Best Nights : Thu, Fri, Sat
Coat Check : No
Smoking : No
Outdoor Seating : No
Wi-Fi : Free
Has TV : Yes
Waiter Service : Yes
Caters : No
Categories
Pizza
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Jeff T.
What a great addition to the DTW scene, congrats Coyne family for providing us socialites with a wonderful bar/restaurant to get happy in. I love the openness, long bar, comfortable seating, and better yet, the food and drink. What's great about WG is that the concept was to have everyone (owners / managers) bring something to the restaurant whether it be wine recommendations, recipes, decorative talent, imaginations, and best yet 'a family working environment'. It really makes you feel like you stepped into a bar that is owned by a bunch of best friends albeit they are mostly family. Now to the review of the food. Starter: Potato Soup - WOW! Thickness of a chowder or creamed down mashed potatoes, but the flavor is terrific. Topped with sour cream, REAL bacon, and cheese, what a fricken delight. $5. Appetizer (pic uploaded): Hummus Dip - Very obvious this is homemade. Not extremely smooth, slightly textured, but well seasoned / put together. I've never been a big fan, but I'd get this again. I thought it was a little pricey at $8 but 1/2 off everyday from 3-7, not that's a good deal. Pizza (pic uploaded): The Goose!! OK, so what do think when the toppings are Duck Confit, Pears, and Blue Cheese?? Yeah....that pretty much sold us ($14). As it IS the most expensive item on the menu, it's probably one of the more flavorful pizza's I've ever eaten. The cheese has a very strong flavor so WG does go a little light, but it sure packs a punch. I thought the crust might have been a little thick, which will always take away from the flavor of the pizza but it still needs to be thick enough to hold up against the ingredients (this is supposed to be finger food - right?). I also talked with one of the owners and they're still trying to tackle the imported oven since it does smoking hot. Overall, I think with time, this will be a great place to go get some unique eats, especially the pizza. They are planning on running pizza of the day specials along with beer and wine of the day deals. To comment on 1 and done Charles' review, the beer was very cold and the music was perfect (we had a 10 month old with us) and she slept most of dinner. I honestly think that the only downside to this location is parking. So get in early and get your grub on. Note: My phone wasn't feeling that good when I took the pics. I'll try better next time.
(4)Roxanne O.
I think The Wild Goose is just what DTW needed - a nice bar with good food at decent prices. They have plenty of weekly specials - everything from pizza to soup to martinis - and they have great happy hour pricing. Even on a Saturday. I stopped in for lunch on a Saturday afternoon. The place was pretty full with everything from frat boys to families. I went against my better judgment and ordered a vegetarian mushroom sandwich instead of pizza. I felt like I was ordering steak in a Chinese restaurant since The Wild Goose has a pizza oven right smack dab at the end of the bar. My sandwich was good, but my boyfriend said the pizza he ordered was awesome. He had a "create your own" pizza with white sauce, chicken, and banana peppers. I would definitely go back to eat and especially drink at The Wild Goose. This is a welcome addition to Willoughby and I wish the Coyne family nothing but luck!
(4)Rodney W.
Nice location, inside is cozy and the pizzas are extraordinary. The best was the waitstaff, these guy's were the best, they keep you well maintained and recommend stuff you didn't know you needed (like ranch to cool the smoking pizza we ordered). Highly recommended and we will return.
(4)James M.
I live in St. Louis but come to Willoughby Ohio monthly. I ALWAYS come by here for a Pizza, every trip. The ONlY Pizza I have had (outside of my hometown pizza joints) that is superior. Really good stone hearth cooked pie. Seamus and McPat rule.
(5)Annemarie H.
Okay for starters the three brothers who own this place are totally fucking sexual and hot I love them every single time I move out of Cleveland I have my going away party at one of their bars needless to say I bounce all over the state and move back to Cleveland I've lived in Las Vegas not for several years and I'm in love with the city but I come to this bar in the very second that I land and bring all of my friends throw all of my parties there nothing like any of their bars anywhere in all of the United States of America
(5)Aimee M.
The pizza was amazing. The sauce was fresh, the crust was crispy and thin, the toppings tasted like they were from a garden. I was so delighted with the supreme style pizza here (although it has a more exciting name). The atmosphere was also really nice for a bar - lots of character, very lively. A decorated board with upcoming band performances was really inviting and cool. The restaurant/bar logo is sweet. Only negative - service was slow. There were only 3 people working (waitress, cook, and manager?) but it was 3pm and the waitress had to take a business call and the cook was busy.
(5)Alex R.
Owners are great, extremely nice. They nail the pizzas 100%. Drinks aren't do badly priced either. The set up inside is also nice. Let's you move around if it's not out the door busy. The entire staff is very nice, except one bartender; she was extremely rude to us. Other than that, I say one of the top 3 down town Willoughby bars!
(4)Jessica E.
Pizza was super delicious!! Server was helpful with our pizza decision... Pizza was thin and perfectly crispy without even having to ask for it crispy. Big beer selection and decently priced
(4)Katelyn A.
We came to The Wild Goose for lunch, and were not disappointed. We each ordered a pizza and found them all to be delicious. Not too much bread, crispy, with fresh tasty toppings. I ordered the Grace Kelly (added sausage) and loved it. You can build your own or choose from their suggested combinations. As a group of five we were also impressed with the service. Joe the bartender took great care of us. While we couldn't drink on lunch, I did notice they had an impressive craft beer selection for a dove type bar. Would revisit!
(5)Tana S.
The pizza here is very goody his crust pizza. The only problem was every time we went in it took a while for someone to take are order. We go back each time because we love the pizza. We actually have gotten the BBQ chicken the last three times we stopped in. It is more of a bar atmosphere no have not seen any children in here but would love to take our four year old because she loves pizza.
(4)Dennis L.
The food was very good, had the stone baked pizza and it came out great. Nothing like cooking a pizza in the stone pizza oven. My girlfriend had the sub sandwich which was great. The service was very good. One of the owners, McPat, came over to make sure everything was OK. Plan on going back. Would recommend to others.
(5)Julian F.
Had a wonderful time here tonight! Wish I was in the area more often. The pizza here is outstanding! And the staff makes you feel at home as soon as you sit down at the bar. Wonderful place! Can't wait to get back up there!
(5)Joe L.
This is a nice place to meet up with friends. The best stone oven pizza on the east side! Friendly staff and fun atmosphere.
(4)J W.
Cool place. Great service (joe). Pizza was legit, quality ingredients. Great beer selection. May go back this week I liked it so much.
(5)Michael C.
Not your traditional pizza joint, though you can get the traditional American pizza toppings. The menu boasts an interesting dynamic of pizzas from mashed potatoes to Mac & Cheese. The pizzas are a thin crust cooked in a stone oven that you can see from the bar area. There is a great variety for beer selection as well. I had the Mac & Cheese and I was a little Leary as restaurant Mac & Cheese is typically bland with soggy noodles. Not here. The macaroni was cooked properly and the cheese was the typical gooey goodness comparable to Name brand Mac & Cheese. Plus it had bacon, can't go wrong with bacon. Definitely will return. Seating is first come first serve. And wait staff was friendly and prompt.
(5)Valerie P.
The food was delicious. I was able to try the bbq chicken pizza and seafood pub dip, both of which were delightfully yummy. I was also impressed with their ample cider list--I believe they had five different brands in bottles and Strongbow on tap. I'm not much of a beer drinker, so I was very appreciative of having so many other options available! Seating is pub style, without a hostess to guide you, so I imagine finding a table could prove difficult during busier times. Service was a little iffy--the waitresses were super friendly, but our food took forever considering the restaurant was only 2/3rds full. I suspect that they forgot about our order, given a panicked conversation I witnessed between servers after we inquired after our food. All in all, I would definitely go back. That pizza was damn good; I've got myself a menu to work through.
(4)Karyn C.
Very nice place. Cool ambiance. Great food. Brick oven pizza!! One toppping pizzas are around $5 during the week until I think... 7pm? Cannot say enough about the pizzas. My favorite specialty pizza is the Galway Bay... Seafood on cream sauce. Oh my. Tap beer selection is safe. Typically nothing too interesting. The happy hour food specials get us here about once or twice a week. The guys that run this place deliver outstanding service. I mean...they really rock out loud. They greet everyone personally, and always remember repeat customers. OK... I have to be honest-they are all adorable. Seriously adorable. The ladies behind the bar and waiting tables have the BEST personalities, and are seriously cute on top of it. You really want to hate girls like this, but you just can't. I like them all. One of my favorite on the way home stops. Go here. Try it. But don't take my bar stool.
(5)Todd G.
For a newer place, they have it figured out. Kickass service, coupled with great food at a value. I could stay there all night. Brick oven pizza. McPat (owner) is out and about, either bussing tables, waiting, or schmoozing. Which he does best. And that, I believe, is also important, The customers have to know that someone has an interest in you coming back. Good on you, Wild Goose.
(5)mike s.
Saturday nite visit and the joint was hopping. As a bar, this place is great. As a restaurant, the menu is essentially limited to salads, pizza and a couple of wraps. We had wraps and salads. Food was ok, nothing truly special. Staff was friendly and pleasant. Service was good. However, the noise level was an assault on the ears! Not likely to return unless they figure out how to turn the volume down so you don't have to yell across the table!
(3)Ryan K.
Good beer selection and great pizza - it's still definitely more of a bar than a restaurant but the pizzas are damn good. The goose balls and dirty Sanchez were a hit with us - not one extra slice remained. Check this place out - and stay for a pie.
(4)Melissa D.
One of the best happy hours in downtown Willoughby. Besides the decent drink prices, they also offer half priced appetizers. The dips are amazing and pair well with beer. The pizzas are phenomenal and well worth the price. The staff is very friendly and attentive.
(5)Jessi N.
I've been told for a while now to check out Willoughby for some good eats. I was in the neighborhood so a friend and I stopped here for happy hour. This place is fantastic. The service is great and the food is just as good. They have happy hour from 4-7pm on weekdays. We got there around 5:30 and it was maybe half full, but by the time we left the place was packed! They had an extensive beer menu and lots of yummy looking specials. There were so many things we wanted to try but we decided to order the seafood dip and a mushroom pizza with garlic sauce. Both were soo good. The seafood dip came out bubbling and full of flavor. The crust on the pizza was amazing and the pizza wasn't too oily. Definitely plan to come back here another time to try some of their other food. It was a good atmosphere to just hangout, grab some beers and a bite. Check it out!
(4)Ray A.
I am very much a fan of this place. Is a great place to hang out and everyone who works here is very inviting. Definitely one of the best happy hours around. Great beer selection and great pizzas.
(5)Carly C.
My husband and I's favorite place to go. Amazing food and great atmosphere. The chorizo dip is to die for and they always have great seasonal beers. They cook their food in a stone oven right in front of you to see. Clean and well laid out there's almost always an open seat upon walking through the door. The staff is friendly, professional and very personable. They feel more like friends at this point. I highly recommend this place and can't wait to see McPat, Michaela, Hunter, Jeff, Gretchen and everyone else soon!
(5)Carolyn C.
These lads have got what it takes! Of course I am a fan, the Coyne boys are such sweet, hospitable guys, that everyone feels right at home in their establishments. But, I must review the food ...that's why I'm here. Pizza......yum! I recommend the pesto sauce, with sausage and onions. Or whatever toppings tickle your fancy. Thinner crust pizza than I normally enjoy, but perfectly cooked, crisp, and DE-LISH! My friend and I both ordered salads with the pizza. Here's a tip: Order just one salad...they are huge. A great split with the pizza, and a few pints of Smithwicks. I'm looking forward to trying some of their specialty pizzas and menu items. Follow them on Facebook too, they always have live updates of menu items, events, and just fun anecdotes. The service is great...believe all the good reviews you've read.
(4)Diana M.
We stopped in here to watch the Browns game and grab some grub. I was very pleasantly surprised by the ambiance and the quality of the pizzas. We have been out in the DTW a few times and I haven't been super impressed by the locations or some of the clientele but this place drew a very mature crowd. Our group tried a couple different pizzas and they were all very good. Definitely enough to take home as leftovers!!
(5)Nick V.
This place is really really good guys.
(5)Jennifer M.
My friend and I come here every Monday now for dinner and drinks. I was pretty happy finding this place and until now had planned on keeping this our Monday night out place. I dropped my previous rating down a star today...not because of the food though. It was really good! We shared a Sullivan (pizza) and it was DELISH. Here is where the star drops...We had a waitress we had never seen before, and she seemed very rushed and in turn rushed us. We asked if we could try the goat cheese dip (just a bite), since the waitress was not able to explain how it was, but she said "Just get it. It is only $4.00. since it is happy hour.". That bugged us. The money wasn't a problem for us, but please don't try and force an charge on our bill. We know full well that tips are a percentage of our bill, and that came off as VERY rude. And FYI the goat cheese dip is not what one would normally think of...it was a marinara sauce with a very small amount of cheese melted on the top (at least that is what we were served). It was great though, so no complaints. They also had a sort of strawberry margarita on special, and my friend had ordered that. about 7 minutes later she came back to say that they were out. How can you be out of a happy hour drink special at 6:10pm? The place was far from crowded. We will not be going this coming Monday. Going to try a new place. We will be back though, and really hope to make that our spot if the service improves.
(3)Mike D.
A brick oven baked pizza with my drinks? Well, ok! Actually, it looks like they cook pretty much everything in that oven......Good stuff! Nice place in DTW. Really friendly service.
(5)April F.
I have to give this bar a five. I am a margarita pizza junky and they've got the best I've ever had. They drizzle a balsamic reduction over the pizza and I am hooked! The pizza's are cooked in a stone oven and everything I've tasted on the menu has been delicious! The staff is fun and friendly. It's a great hang out for locals or visitors alike! Very nice selection of craft beers as well. You won't be disappointed!
(5)john e.
went to the goose a few times on saturday afternoon,food is great,service is not.Everytime I have eaten there have gotten the same server,always have to seat myself and have to go to the bar to get my drink refilled.Also every time I have ate there all the staff is more interested in their cell phones than the service.I think the servers are rich,they dont seem to need tip money from the poor service they give.
(3)Amanda W.
The pizza crust is really good at this place. They have a nice selection of pizza toppings, including marinated artichokes and roasted eggplant. They have good specials ($2 Coronas on Mondays for happy hour). The bar isn't overall very large, but that's what's nice about it. Just a warning for vegetarians that go here, their stuffed mushrooms are NOT vegetarian. They have sausage in them, but it's not listed on their menu. I would not typically expect them to have any meat on them, especially if all their menu says is, "Topped with provolone." So just take note of that if you go here and are vegetarian.
(3)Alyssa A.
The atmosphere is something that the DTW area has been lacking. Has a nice appeal and classy interior but very logical location and menu for a sporting even or hanging out with friends. The Coyne family pulls this one off well just as they have their other businesses. Great drink specials and happy hour from 3-7 daily and quite a few taps and bottles for the beer lover. The brick oven makes quite a few nicely topped specialty pizzas but their menu is lacking alittle. No typical pub grub here, if you want a burger, go somewhere else but if you want a specialty pizza, this is your spot. Not a bad seat in the house either for whatever game you may wish to see. This place has only been open a few days so the staff is very prevalent but I think in the next few months they will get it flowing. Can't wait to go back and try some brick oven goodness!
(4)Marlena P.
Hard drinks and a great atmosphere. I dig it.
(4)Eric H.
Stopped in for lunch for the first time this past week. Located in Downtown Willoughby right next to Arabica Coffee House and owned by the same family that owns the popular Irish bar, Croagh Patricks. The Wild Goose is pretty good sized but not a lot of tables. There is a good size bar with a nice looking beer selection. The Wild Goose is known for the stone oven pizzas but there are many other selections on the menu. Since this was the first time there, I had to try the pizza. I went with the "Loosey Goosey" which had red sauce, cheese, pepperoni, sausage, onions, green peppers mushrooms, and black olives. All of the pizzas are large, 8 cut. The crust was good - had the crispiness that you expect from a stone oven style pizza. I've seen some reviews indicating it was too crispy - this isn't your chain style pizza. The crust was perfect, not burnt and not overly crispy. The toppings were all very good and fresh. The sauce tasted great and there was a perfect amount - not too much, not too little. And finally, the cheese was balanced just right. For $12.00 this was a great choice for lunch.. There are starts including things such as hummus, goat cheese dip, seafood pub dip and Irish potato soup as well as a good selection of salads and sandwiches. A nearby table ordered a sandwich which looked great and was huge! The staff was friendly and attentive - to be expected by the Coyne family and the service was quick. Definitely will be checking this place out again.
(4)K. H.
UPDATE: I found out you can do take out as well. I called ahead and drove down 15 minutes later to pick up a pepperoni pizza to take home. It was only $8 and it was COVERED with pepperoni. No skimping! Warm, soft, crispy, delicious crust. Another happy experience at WG! I'm still kind of new to Yelp but if I can figure out how to post a pic of the pizza I will do so!
(5)Rick K.
Really good brick oven pizza. Nice full bar with a good selection of drought beers. Service is good. My only complaint is that the music is way too loud. It is almost impossible to hold a conversation with the person next to you.
(3)Molly L.
Such a yummy surprise. Even though i tend to have a distaste for DTW due to its d-bag environment, I hope this place isn't a short lived establishment. Attending Happy Hour with my BFF made it a good choice. 5 dollar one-topping pizza, yes please. Our bartender, Tony was awesome. He put up with my inability to make up my mind and always picked something yummy.
(4)Laurie R.
Awesome happy hour - $1.50 Miller Lite and $5.00 pizzas, great bartenders/staff and wonderful food....
(5)Bridget C.
So here was the situation. It was 1pm on a Sunday afternoon, my friend and I were westsiders headed out to Eastlake, and I was as hungover as a college football mascot the day after homecoming. Desperate for any place that wasn't going to make me eat eggs, and would also provide some hair of the dog, we pulled off in Willoughby and searched the GPS for anything that sounded promising. Even though I thought Oliver Twist was the kind of cutesy name that might end up with us sitting in a dining room next to a collection of Charles Dickens theme dolls, we went with it, and parked in downtown Willoughby, which immediately gave me Berea flashbacks. Oliver Twist was closed. But there seemed to be a lot of other eateries on the strip, so we walked down looking for someplace. Closed Closed Closed. Apparently if you can't get your butt out of bed before 11 in Willoughby, you are screwed for brunch. Dejected, we walked back the car, me vocally denouncing the whole lousy place, when we saw people walking in the Wild Goose, and decided to see if they had food. Man, did Chance help us out there. The bartender was immediately helpful and super friendly. My hangover was a little dismayed at the prospect of pizza, but the fire pizza oven convinced me and I ordered a simple garlic oil one with some bacon and olives. My friend is one of those guys who can eat a horse, so he ordered the seafood dip, the Irish potato soup, and a Wild Goose pizza. Given how cheap the pizzas were, we were expecting them to be small. But no, they were quite regular pizza sized, and we ended up with a ton to take home. They had just changed the menu the day before, and so they made him the old version of the Wild Goose, which had duck and apples on it, instead of the corned beef one on the new menu. I know, that old one sounds fantastic right? It was, but he isn't into sweet things, so they immediately made him the right one, with no fuss and super quickly, which he also liked a lot. The Irish potato soup was amazing. I don't eat seafood, but he couldn't stop raving about the dip. My own pizza was also great - the crust was thin and crispy the way I love it, and they don't skimp on the toppings at all. If I lived in Willoughby (never going to happen but) I would order pizza from here all the time. The entire staff was wonderful, and if you live on that side of town or like us find yourself there accidentally, you should totally stop in.
(5)Ariane K.
Great atmosphere & wonderful pizza! My 3 girlfriends & I shared the warm sundried tomato spinach dip (which was amazing), along with the margherita & bianco pizzas; Delicious from the stone/wood burning oven! Great wine too! Music wasn't too loud so we were able to chat & enjoy ourselves. They took great care of us & we will definitely be back!
(5)Carolyn M.
Decided to give this a try when I was visiting my boyfriend right after he got out of class at nearby Lakeland Community College. We both wanted to try out a new place and this sure fit the bill--sounds like it opened earlier this year. We both enjoyed the good selection of about 10 draft beers, including some of the upscale bar standards (Guinness, Harp, etc.) as well as a few more unusual microbrew choices. It looked like they had a large liquor selection but we did not partake of mixed drinks this time. As it was a bit later than the usual dinnertime (after 8 PM), it was largely a drinking and not eating crowd and they had a decent sized, attractive, younger group there. For those of you wondering. We ordered the hummus, the Hot Potato pizza, and a veggie sandwich. The hummus, as others have noted, is clearly the homemade variety and a red pepper flavor, and served with what appeared to be seasoned slices of pizza crust. I thought it pretty delicious, though traditionalists might balk at their substitute for pita. The Hot Potato pizza was glorious, basically homemade mashed potatoes (the real kind) on top of a thin crust of pizza, where you can't tell where one carb ends and the other begins. All of this topped with cheddar and bacon. Very good, and I have a ton of leftover slices for the money ($12), so even though it's one of the pricier choices it did not seem unreasonable. My BF is vegan, so he ordered the veggie sandwich sans cheese. It still comes with a smear of their hummus and also olive tapenade, and many veggies, so I think he liked it as more than just an ordinary veggie sandwich. However, one noted downside--which I think they could easily fix--as someone looking to go out dining with a vegan in tow, I do appreciate online menus as they confirm whether there are options for him. The Wild Goose is so new they don't have this yet, but it's something I'd recommend to entice picky, veggie, or vegan folks to your place.
(4)Eric B.
Came for lunch on 12/28. Nice brewpub, plenty of beer selections. What really got my attention was the EXCELLENT pizza! We ordered the Tony Roni and the Buff Chick. Both were spicy as advertised, loaded with toppings, and full-sized. Crust was really exceptional, thin and crisp/charred around the edges. I travel to Naples, Italy regularly and this crust rivaled the ones I love from the cradle of pizza. And of course, the Willoughby Brewery is just a block away offering really great brews!
(4)Kayti O.
Just went to lunch here because it was one of the only places open in DTW on Sunday. It was totally awesome! Heck, I even applied there! My order came out correctly and it was some of the best pizza I've ever had. They also have a lot of good drink specials. I was very impressed and will be going back.
(5)Jim B.
Been to the Goose on 5 different occasions as i spend a lot of time in DTW. the food can be good but it is very inconsistent. ordered a sausage sandwich one night and it was awesome! big chucks of tasty italian sausage, and sauce. next time i ordered it is was like a sloppy joe with a lot of sauce and very little meat. asked why the difference and was told they ran out of the regular sausage. next time tell me and i'll oder something else. in the last 2 occasions food came out to different people at our table at different times. how tough is it to get all apps at the table at the same time!!! last night i ordered one of the specialty pizzas to come without red peppers. couldn't get it right. pizza came out with peppers on it. waitress asked if i wanted another made. should not need to ask should just take it back and make it right. not sure if i'll give this place another chance. very disappointed
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